Heat @ Magic, 1/30, 7 PM, Amway Arena

SVG gets the Subway Dumb of the Game for not giving J.J. any playing time tonight.

No, I'm kidding. We won, but still, I don't understand why our big 3 played so deep into the game...

You guys are funny.....

We win again and all you do is complain about our PG's...mainly Arroyo.

Magicmadness I AM going to say that we are 7-1 when Arroyo starts and do you know why??? Because it is a FACT...PERIOD! When we were 16-4 it was all Jameer this, Jameer that....Now Arroyo has NOTHING to do with our recent succes. Funny...

Some of you guys may want to demean Arroyo's play and I'll admit he hasn't had "great offensive games" but at the end of the day I though the purpose WAS to win games...or isn't it? I don't get it....I simply don't get it. Would you all be happier if Arroyo was having "great offensive games" but we lost? Where is all that "Team Fan" crap you always preach about? Hey listen Arroyo is putting the effort on the defensive end, ok? Although some of you will say..."Are you crazy? He is a poor defender!" Well.... he may not be Flash but I can tell you this....He SURELY plays better defense than Jameer!

Clearly, SVG thinks so....why else would he start Arroyo instead of the Amazing Jameer Nelson?

This post has been edited by Nogaro on Jan. 30, 2008 10:06 PM

For the most part, we are winning despite our play at the PG spot.

Period.

I'm talking about both Arroyo AND Nelson here...

This post has been edited by MagicMadness on Jan. 30, 2008 10:09 PM

yeah there arent many ppl that are fans of either point guard, and fact is arroyo and jameer are both poor defenders but you cant tell me letting chris quinn drive by you is called putting effort out on defense

FYI this is for both carlos and jameer who got burned by him, we started pulling away when SVG put dooling in there to put the clamps down on defense and fire up the rest of the guys to start playing some D

end of story is all the PG's are crap but im sure that wont deter people from wanting to have these debates about our two sorry a** point guards

This post has been edited by iceveins333 on Jan. 30, 2008 10:45 PM

You're telling me we won because Arroyo was 2-for-7? Hedo scoring 27 had nothing at all to do with it?

Both our point guards are playing like crap right now.

I'm just glad we're winning games right now. I don't care who's doing this or who's not doing that. Every player has their flaws and room for improvement. Just be happy we got the win, guys.

For the most part, we are winning despite our play at the PG spot.

Period.

I'm talking about both Arroyo AND Nelson here...

Exactly. We have 2 s**tty PGs and you guys are arguing over them. Don't mention at all that Dwight is a monster and Turkoglu is having an All-Star year. Jameer this Jameer that Arroyo this Arroyo that. Guess what?!?! THEY BOTH SUCK!!!!

lol i've been saying that since the season started

I dont get why your complaining about other people complaining about our PG's, yet your doing the same thing here lol

Anyways...Dude, they both suck. No one is defending either or. There is no use of anyone sticking up for one of them when they are not worthy of it. Plus, Arroyo is only starting because a PG has to be in that starting spot (and we have bad PGs), not because of his spectacular play or ability to carry our team to victories.

He has a nice record of winning recently, but its because Hedo has stepped up his play as of late, not Arroyo. Hedo is the reason for the wins, not Dwight, Rashard, or even Arroyo.

I dont hate the guy, or anyone on the team (well except pat lol), but it just gets so annoying when Arroyo is put on a freaking pedestal when hes such an average PG.

This post has been edited by MAGICMANEVAN on Jan. 30, 2008 11:48 PM

For the most part, we are winning despite our play at the PG spot.

Period.

I'm talking about both Arroyo AND Nelson here...

Exactly. We have 2 s**tty PGs and you guys are arguing over them. Don't mention at all that Dwight is a monster and Turkoglu is having an All-Star year. Jameer this Jameer that Arroyo this Arroyo that. Guess what?!?! THEY BOTH SUCK!!!!

Thank you C-Los!!

My grandpa is 2-0 on the season when attending a game.
Pretty lackluster game where it seemed like the halftime special with the UNBELIEVABLY FLEXIBLE HOT CHICK SHOOTING ARROWS WITH HER LEGS was the highight of the night.
Even the Magic dancers dunking for the first time in a month failed because too many girls f**ked up (they tried a new more organized routine and they looked rusty, new girls killed the chemistry).
Stuff had a ton of fun tonight as always.

Bob Delaney was pretty bad and Sweater Vest guy let him have it.
Flo-Rida in the house for anyone that cares.

Hedo again showing how superb he's been this season. Even if he doesn't get in the All Star Game, he's certainly our All Star.

SVG should've put the bench in coming out of that timeout with under 3 minutes to go, I'm just happy no one got hurt.
Need to get the win in Philly, hopefully we won't sleep-walk as much as we did tonight.

When Arroyo starts: 8-4 (.666)
When Nelson starts: 21-14 (.600)
When Arroyo starts and Nelson doesn't play at all: 7-1 (.875)

When Arroyo starts: 8-4 (.666)
When Nelson starts: 21-14 (.600)
When Arroyo starts and Nelson doesn't play at all: 7-1 (.875)

Alright, those records do show SOMETHING there. However, what if in those games we played the Bobcats and Knicks? The records are kind of overrated. Maybe Dooling did good in those games.


Why is it always Jameer or Arroyo but never Dooling?

For the record and so EVERYONE is 100% clear.

I'll write it for the 100th time:

IT IS ABUNDANTLY CLEAR THAT HEDO TURGLU IS THE MAIN REASON THAT WE HAVE BEEN PLAYING GREAT AS OF LATE! THAT IS OBVIOUS! It is also obvious that Dwight and Lewis are the other Superstars of the team. If they come to play we win. If they don't, we don't win. It amazes me that anyone might think differently.

What I've always wanted to point out is that our record is MUCH better with Carlos starting at the point. That is a FACT...whether some of you like it or not! If anyone wants to say that Carlos has nothing to do with it.... then that's a different story. In my opinion, to say that Carlos has NOTHING to do with these victories, shows a biased mentality. I mean, how can anyone state that it is a MERE coincidence after a 7-1 record (without Jameer in the lineup) and an 8-4 record (with Jameer in the lineup coming off the bench)? That is crazy!

I know TheFalcon's is NOT happy that we are posting a winning record under Carlos Arroyo and that is why he is constantly pinpointing his mistakes. But isn't that what most of you constantly critize? The fact that it is all about Jameer and Carlos? I'm not interested in arguing about it anymore but I won't keep quiet when Carlos is being attacked.

In all honesty, this argument is way too old. It has been proven that Carlos is and always will be a better PG. The record speaks for itself! Whether some of you like it or not......

NUFF SAID!

This post has been edited by Nogaro on Jan. 31, 2008 12:39 PM

Whoah, whoah, whoah. I'm always happy when we are winning, regardless of who the point guard is. I have no affiliation with Arroyo or Nelson, and I really don't like either of them very much as players. My argument is still that Arroyo's contribution to this last few weeks of wins is miniscule, at best. If Turkoglu was playing at this level while Jameer was starting, we'd have seen the same record. Statistically, Arroyo is worse in every category as a starting point guard than Nelson. Less points, assists, rebounds, shooting percentage... AND he commits more turnovers. After watching these games, and watching the (at times) awful performance of Arroyo, I think its nearly insane to think that these wins had anything to do with who the point guard is. I don't care if Carlos starts, or if Jameer starts, or if Dooling starts, the result of the game is totally dependent on the "big 3" and, at least, a mediocre contribution from the role players. As long as the point guard doesn't go 0-10 with 12 turnovers, he's pretty much irrelevant in our current offensive system.

I don't recall pinpointing his mistakes, and I really haven't seen it "proven" that Arroyo is a better point guard than Nelson.

This post has been edited by TheFalcon on Jan. 31, 2008 02:51 PM